trump thread

[grue]

yeah I imagine a left candidate even just saying the word Venezuela is enough for two days of news cycle

I had a talk with Tyler about Gabbard because

1) she was ruthless about being anti-LGBT, this isn't a cringe "marriage is between man and woman" clinton-kind of soft-speech no, she was all-out calling activists violent radicals etc. Now I know people change but this was in 2004... and she says she changed by being deployed and being face-to-face with similar hate in other parts of the world but still it was waay to late to act blissfully ignorant. Her supporters say that she was both young and still under the influence of religious orthodoxy. And she has since done enough to earn the support of LGBT orgs and has issued an apology https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/1...ts-1109541 BUT I'm still suspicious because politicians are going to be political and I'm still not sure I fully trust her change (so I agree with you)

2) her statements on international conflict though, they're against liberal grain which is huge. being pro-assad?? goddamn if I don't know just enough trotskites that defended the US in Syria to pack a room, and we all know what the democratic voter base thinks of "dictators" around the world, so I can't imagine this sort of stance is making her many friends. it's what makes me like her a lot, and the idea of the USA having a president that OPPOSES meddling in other countries is incredible to me

[Ben]

well, if you like social progressivism and opposing meddling in other countries, feel free to vote libertarian

[Ben]

im bein funny, but really: she's a day late and a dollar short on either side imo. doesnt stand a chance

[fat lesbian]

what other candidate is against american support of guaido in venezuela? im unaware

sherrod brown, afaik elizabeth warren has at the very least opposed military intervention and sanctions, bernie klobuchar and buttigieg are unfortunately anti maduro but are against a US installed leader. gabbard is not pro maduro which means she is not pro self determination for Venezuela regardless of the lip service. and im shocked that she would be openly pro assad and NOT pro maduro, if she is.

[fat lesbian]

and i don’t trust someone who thought that way as recently as 2004, yeah. yeeks

[grue]

you guys keep saying that other candidates are also against intervention and I'm not saying you're lying just that I could only find Warren statements about it, maybe international press just doesn't cover that? why do I get so much Gabbard news then I didn't ask for this

[Ben]

again, i think its a delicate position to take when the stakes are your presidential run and you dont want to look like you're anti-democracy. she's definitely a lot more fearless than other candidates, ill give her that

[grue]

rofl

[Delirious Biznasty]

dude what the fuck are you DOING

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congres...mp-n971576

[fat lesbian]

that’s just plain and undeniable fascism. we’ve been in the shit but we’re really In The Shit if that does happen.

[fat lesbian]

you guys keep saying that other candidates are also against intervention and I'm not saying you're lying just that I could only find Warren statements about it, maybe international press just doesn't cover that? why do I get so much Gabbard news then I didn't ask for this

most of the statements aren’t really official statements and aren’t from well known candidates so they aren’t newsworthy.

[Ben]

my lame take on the potential dems bc its 2am and im sick (disclaimer: of course it's all a sham and god knows if i have the stomach to actually vote):

warren: the native american gaffe is going to be incredibly damaging especially against trump, and she doesn't do anything that bernie doesnt also do. she is also not anti-establishment enough while also being too establishment to be independent like bernie

bernie: old, already failed last time. i think this is dangerous bc people will treat it like this will be his redemption and that he's owed something, but they also may treat a repeat failure as inevitable. also his role/strength is as an iconoclast that attacks from the outside, so he'd be out of his element

booker: i like him as a person, i think hes sensible though his "problematic history" with big pharma or whatever is something of a concern. that being said i see that brought up but never really backed up by anything material. i think his strengths lie more in personality than policy unfortunately. also, i stole this idea from 538 but there will be either a black person or a woman on the ticket so he's got some minority credits (yes this is cynical and awful but thus is life)

harris: i do not know much about her, other than that she seems really smart in general. on betting sites, she has the best chances of anyone. i think she is a good, safe bet but frankly just dont know much

klobuchar: i have a weird thing where i just KNOW we won't have a president with a weird last name. i know obama was freaky but so was having a black guy. i wonder how much of the demonization of him was because his name was barack obama and not "john nelson". anyway, klobuchar is the other side of the coin from booker: not black, but a woman, and really good smart policy knowledge (not that i agree!! just that she dont talk out her ass) but people say shes mean to folks in person. i dont care about that

biden: i have no clue about anything the man does other than that he's loved by the establishment. i could see him pairing with warren as VP to appeal to progressives

gillibrand: i keep getting her and kyrsten sinema mixed up in my head. i dont know anything about her specifically except that her fundraising efforts are annoying me

daniel has a crush on gabbard but ultimately shes not really a major candidate and i think her chances are marginal

if i had to argue for a favorite single candidate running it would be klobuchar i guess, im sure thatll change over time and i can happily reflect on this post with egg on my face

i think biden/warren or klobuchar/booker would be smart tickets

[Ben]

oh damn, i forgot beto. beto: similar to gillibrand, he's an attractive young democrat that i know nothing about. i think he could fit on a ticket with booker or harris to re-do the obama/biden scenario. i think people were hyped on him due to his close loss in texas, and now theyre overcorrecting on diminishing his appeal. still, i have no clue.

[grue]

Kamala is taking a lot of shit from her policies as AG and DA, I'm not sure she can secure progressive votes bc of that

but yeah Im aware that Gabbard is a fringe candidate but what can I say, she's actually talking about lybia syria and us military intervention as a whole so I enjoy her

[fat lesbian]

kamala harris is the person who made it more difficult for non violent drug prisoners in California to get parole and justified it by saying it takes away from the prisoner labor pool. cops is cops