(actual) DRUG DISCUSSION THREAD [DONT TELL MOM AND DAD EDITION]

[GeorgeBubbinzInSpace]

to be fair I don't see what there is to say about drugs that hasn't been run into the fucking ground already, unless there's a funny/interesting personal story around it, in which case I'd like to hear about

but just bein like...I smoked weed last night lol *sunglasses emoji* is pretty much pointless and no one cares, although I'm guilty of shitposting the same thing basically.

some stories would make this thread 100x better. something like dude one time I dropped acid and wound up eating a strangers shit out of a port-a-potty. I'd like to hear that.

[Zomber_Jesus]

it feels good. it literally triggers your brain's pleasure center or something. it makes you laugh at dumb things, it creates a space-time void wherein your day-to-day stresses and burdens just don't matter as much. and yeah, you see things differently - literally, it messes with your brain. for a lot of people that helps put shit in perspective.

you don't have to do drugs to enjoy things but you also don't have to not do drugs sooooo... people just do

Does it ever bother you that there's a bug in your brain doing all of that? a friend of mine smokes lots of weed to help neutralize her social anxiety and I get that but the actual aversion i have towards this comes from the fact that I would be foregoing what little control I have of my mental state and opening up to something that might potentially screw me up even more.

[Zomber_Jesus]

I have some stories. I'll write them down tomorrow if I remember. The shortest one is simply a guy who took lsd and a bunch of valentines day coctails, then proceeded to pee red for days thinking "man, that must have been some good shit to change the color of my piss like that." By the time he got his shit together and saw a doctor it was kidney stone passing time.

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it feels good. it literally triggers your brain's pleasure center or something. it makes you laugh at dumb things, it creates a space-time void wherein your day-to-day stresses and burdens just don't matter as much. and yeah, you see things differently - literally, it messes with your brain. for a lot of people that helps put shit in perspective.

you don't have to do drugs to enjoy things but you also don't have to not do drugs sooooo... people just do

Does it ever bother you that there's a bug in your brain doing all of that? a friend of mine smokes lots of weed to help neutralize her social anxiety and I get that but the actual aversion i have towards this comes from the fact that I would be foregoing what little control I have of my mental state and opening up to something that might potentially screw me up even more.

eh

you could also argue that she is medicating with weed, ie she is exerting the control that she needs

obviously drugs can take a very bad turn and breed dependance and other issues, you should always be mindful of consequences and repercussions... but that applies to everything doesn't it

and the bug thing doesn't bother me at all. we ingest things all the time, everything we put into our bodies we do for its effect. i mean if you stretch the issue, isn't chocolate also a drug? or tea/coffee? sweets? as animals we interact with what our environment gives us, that's kind of supposed to happen. be careful, obviously, but drugs are nothing more than controlled poisoning

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first time I dropped acid there was five of us. we were huddled in a cold ass house middle of february and one of us didnt partake, opting to babysit. smoked some keef beforehand and got huddled under the blanket.

just talked for about 45 min waiting for it to kick in, getting the chills that normally come with acid, then it starts. first, movement left trails, and things became very funny. eventually, all the light and ambient light changed colors and the room started waving.

As I begun to peak, we started to listen to Bowie's blackstar album. the walls shifted and blew in imagined wind like it was made of sand. dragons and koi fish formed from nothing and flew around. Patterns like doilies appeared and morphed into fracals. it was incredible. coming down, the lights still changed colors - jus regular white light went from red, to green, to blue. driving home was beautiful that night. like speed racer.



one of us had a bad trip though. he was crying and laughing, and also hid in the bathroom to throw up a few times. he tried to leave the house, too. poor guy.


Ive done acid plenty of times since, but never again reached the trip of that first time. also, have not had a bad trip yet.

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honestly my kind of stance is

if you don't do drugs that's cool, I hate the kind of sanctimonious "do some lsd to open your mind maan", that's incredibly stupid

if you do drugs it's "ok", to the extent that you MUST be mindful of the consequences to your body and to the people around you. this is pecifically true with hard drugs like heroin or angel dust. shit can hit the fan hard and fast, and the people you love can end up very hurt. i never took hard drugs myself out of principle, so i can only speak for their effect on others

some of the coolest people ive known and called good friends did/do drugs (from weed to cocaine). it was a part of their lives as much as of their personality. they are wonderful people with a keen grasp on their own behaviour, very responsible and settled in life. i have nothing but respect for their choices

seeing things in black and white never helped anyone

we're all going to die anyway so live and let live

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also my experience with psychedelics was very mild, the greatest thing ive experienced was watching my dreams unfold on the tent flap as i was "sleeping", as if i was watching a movie. it was pretty cool but nothing to write home about.

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Yeah that was some drug snobbery on my part

[Zomber_Jesus]

Nah I intend to purge the world of scum that do things I don't like drugs, anime, libertarianism and romantic poetry

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Nah I intend to purge the world of scum that do things I don't like drugs, anime, libertarianism and romantic poetry

leave diehard alone

[grue]

used to smoke a lot of pollen. never got along with weed very much, shit makes me faint for some reason. when i smoked a lot of pollen was when i also developed an alcohol dependancy, also the smoking, and it was a very shitty time in my life. nowadays i barely touch the stuff and i dont identify with the kind of high it gives

lsd/shrooms were a good buzz but like i said it was all very mild, i never took much, and since im always hyperconscious of myself i never really relaxed enough to enjoy the ride. alcohol relaxes me but i didn't want to mix the two so there it was

tried some mdma once out of being drunk and stupid, kinda self-destructing binge, it was a lot of fun but it really isn't my thing. i don't like being "guided". don't enjoy the idea of ingesting Fun. ill have fun if im having fun, ill be grumpy if im feeling grumpy... took me long to accept my emotions and i dont feel like supressing them any longer

which, funnily enough, is something i learned on my many drunk/stoned nights, so there's that

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lsd is great for self-reflection I find

[Zomber_Jesus]

My experience with drug users is about the opposite. All my friends to the last one who fit that category are constantly keeping their loved ones in a state of worry about their actions. A lot of them are very smart and interesting people but they always fuck themselves over with bad decisions. one broke his brain permanently on psychedelics and flew to Morocco like he was a beat poet or some shit. Our only way to make sure he was alive for a full month was checking his facebook for schizophrenic posts. he's under therapy right now. And my little sister smoked who knows what once thinking it was weed. Dad had a superhero rescue mission that night. Those shaped my attitude but it's nice knowing people can do it right.

I don't think the "you can't be 100% straight edge" argument works because it's pretty easy to draw a distinction between chocolate and lsd based on how hard they hit you and how little we know of the mechanisms behind them. The bigger question is what value can be found in intentinally blowing up your consciousness for a while? Even if it felt nice, it would feel awfully dishonest and artificial to me. Plus the risks scare me like a little piggy.

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My experience with drug users is about the opposite. All my friends to the last one who fit that category are constantly keeping their loved ones in a state of worry about their actions. A lot of them are very smart and interesting people but they always fuck themselves over with bad decisions. one broke his brain permanently on psychedelics and flew to Morocco like he was a beat poet or some shit. Our only way to make sure he was alive for a full month was checking his facebook for schizophrenic posts. he's under therapy right now. And my little sister smoked who knows what once thinking it was weed. Dad had a superhero rescue mission that night. Those shaped my attitude but it's nice knowing people can do it right.

I don't think the "you can't be 100% straight edge" argument works because it's pretty easy to draw a distinction between chocolate and lsd based on how hard they hit you and how little we know of the mechanisms behind them. The bigger question is what value can be found in intentinally blowing up your consciousness for a while? Even if it felt nice, it would feel awfully dishonest and artificial to me. Plus the risks scare me like a little piggy.

See, that's where I draw the tolerance line. I can't make excuses for people who fuck over their social circle. I get it happen once... twice? But recurrent behaviour, I can't tolerate.

As for your sister, she was abused. Don't think of it any lighter. She trusted someone and they fucked her over. A lot of drug users are fucking self-indulgent scumbags with no sense of boundaries or limits. Someone does that to you, doesn't deserve an ounce of respect.

That being said... you don't have experience, that's fine, but you're really overstating the potency of the drugs. LSD can break your brain, sure, if you take like two, four tabs of a particularly potent mix? Most people take like a quarter or half a tab, it pretty much just makes you laugh at dumb stuff. As with anything, but with drugs particularly, if you don't have self-control please just steer clear of it. But truly, a small ammount of LSD isn't that much different from being happy drunk. Probably not as bad for your health, even.

Like, my friends who did cocaine, did it because a line makes you feel cool for about 30 minutes or so. They were smiling and being generally positive about things. Truly nothing scary or mind-altering at all... just a fun buzz.

It's all about quantities, I guess.

My comparison with chocolate wasn't meant to equate, it's more that the pleasure you derive from chocolate is chemically similar from the pleasure you derive from drugs. Because it ticks the same boxes in your brain, you know. They are obviously two very different things. For me, drugs are fun poisons, that's the line I draw from other pleasure-giving things. But everything you do messes with your brain, that was my point, taking drugs isn't necessarily a loss of control.

Like, you can eat so many sweets that you irreversably fuck your metabolic system. Like, they can literally "take over" your body, yet people aren't afraid of sweets. Doesn't mean sweets are "bad", just... moderation. Moderation and care.

[Zomber_Jesus]

Moderation is exactly what's missing from anime and romantic poetry. I think we see eye to eye mostly but you still need to be enlightened about the evils of Pushkin. Then you may join me on my most noble of missions.

I'm sort of getting an idea of how little I actually know about the specifics of drug effects. If I had to chart out my idea of an average lsd trip by giving it a 10, id probably put alcohol on 2. I guess I had too much horror movie like experiences. A guy lived in my building for most my life who looked like he was straigh out of sickfuckpeople (which is a documentary I highly recommend watching). He started a fire and was taken to a madhouse two years ago. Fuck eastern Europe.