06-27-2016, 08:00 AM
You have no idea how long it took me to muster up the energy to even write the paltry offerings I give you here. Honestly, my life for the past x amount of weeks has just been facebook post after news bulletin after "vote leave" sign (i live in a town that had a reasonably strong leave vote (62.6/37.4)) it's gotton to the point that i'm simply sick of it.
Frankly, I skipped over the bits where there was arguing over standard deviations
The biggest argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. - Winston Churchill
It felt right to use that quote here for no reason, not sure why.
IF YOU WANT MORE, ASK DIRECT QUESTIONS.
Apparently only me so far.
Something that has come up today actually is a theory in which the person who has to triggers article 50 (the peice of legislation that kickstarts a countrys path to leaving) will be comming career suicide. The only person who CAN trigger it is, surprise surprise, the Prime Minister. So David Cameron thinks "well fuck that" and decides he's outta there. Now, the position is a poison chalice. Do you become PM, trigger the exit and have one half of the country hate you, or become PM, NOT trigger it, and have even more people hate you for going against the will of the people.
The older people chose to leave because a very similar thing happened when we joined the EU/single market/whatever else back in '75. A lot of misinformation, lots of people disillusioned when we voted in. I don't know the specifics of that though, but it's because they remember a time BEFORE the EU, and hey, it wasn't so bad back then. If you're going to look at that as, for want of a better phrase, "case study", then everything worked out when we voted in, didn't it?
I had a wild thought that this might in fact be some sort of bounce back. All the people who voted in back in '75 having the opportunity to reverse their decision.
That being said, this has become a macabre joke already. TOP LINE: Vote to "Leave" [meme image] BOTTOM LINE: Doesn't live long enough to see consequenses.
Immigration IS a huge factor in this though.
This has devolved into meme level already. Stupid polls have appeared online saying "Redraw the Lottery from last saturday because the number were not what I wanted". har har comedy.
The only place this might hold even a thimble-full of water is London, which has a lot of clout due to the number of people and its diversity. There were big storms and some floods making it hard for some people to get to polling sations, but not enough to make a difference.
Yeah. Have you heard the one about how the "The UK gives £45442157454147154 to the EU every twenty minutes"? That one is a real hoot.
We DO give a large sum of money to the EU, but we get a lot of it BACK. The brexiters *shudder* (i hate that word now and all of its derivatives) weren't telling people this, and they kinda did or did not get in a bit of trouble for it depending on who you ask.
Frankly, I skipped over the bits where there was arguing over standard deviations
The biggest argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. - Winston Churchill
It felt right to use that quote here for no reason, not sure why.
IF YOU WANT MORE, ASK DIRECT QUESTIONS.
(06-25-2016, 01:51 AM)Ben Wrote: i think the most interesting aspect is the loss of the PM
is there any actual UK spamers still around to discuss this
Apparently only me so far.
Something that has come up today actually is a theory in which the person who has to triggers article 50 (the peice of legislation that kickstarts a countrys path to leaving) will be comming career suicide. The only person who CAN trigger it is, surprise surprise, the Prime Minister. So David Cameron thinks "well fuck that" and decides he's outta there. Now, the position is a poison chalice. Do you become PM, trigger the exit and have one half of the country hate you, or become PM, NOT trigger it, and have even more people hate you for going against the will of the people.
(06-25-2016, 05:59 PM)grue Wrote: Demographic breakdown of the vote.
Kinda surprised that the oldest choose to leave, tbh. Historically the brits usually side with europe, I guess all the muslims made them think .
Edit: better poll link http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how...d-and-why/
The older people chose to leave because a very similar thing happened when we joined the EU/single market/whatever else back in '75. A lot of misinformation, lots of people disillusioned when we voted in. I don't know the specifics of that though, but it's because they remember a time BEFORE the EU, and hey, it wasn't so bad back then. If you're going to look at that as, for want of a better phrase, "case study", then everything worked out when we voted in, didn't it?
I had a wild thought that this might in fact be some sort of bounce back. All the people who voted in back in '75 having the opportunity to reverse their decision.
That being said, this has become a macabre joke already. TOP LINE: Vote to "Leave" [meme image] BOTTOM LINE: Doesn't live long enough to see consequenses.
Immigration IS a huge factor in this though.
(06-25-2016, 06:30 PM)Delirious Biznasty Wrote:(06-25-2016, 05:37 PM)grue Wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016...ns-website"We lost so we want another poll because we need to keep doing it until MY side wins
People are asking for a re-run because it feels like the brits had no idea of what they were getting themselves into. Scotland and Northern Ireland make a point of staying in the EU and since the UK is leaving, they will leave the UK so they can apply to the EU. Meanwhile, Nigel "Crazypants" Farage has pretty much admitted that he doesn't care about the meaning of the words coming out of his mouth (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...99906.html). The rest of the EU is regrouping so the brits get out as soon as possible, and the backlash so far seems to affect the UK much more than it does the EU (as I assumed it would).
Talk about a bunch of sore losers
This has devolved into meme level already. Stupid polls have appeared online saying "Redraw the Lottery from last saturday because the number were not what I wanted". har har comedy.
The only place this might hold even a thimble-full of water is London, which has a lot of clout due to the number of people and its diversity. There were big storms and some floods making it hard for some people to get to polling sations, but not enough to make a difference.
(06-25-2016, 06:42 PM)grue Wrote: That's a moot point. The referendum has been done under fake promises and false premises. It's obviously legitimate to ask the parliament to reconsider, though they most likely won't.
What's iffy about this poll is that it asks for the referendum rules to change into something that makes more sense (like @ben was talking about). I don't see how this applies to this result, though. I mean, new rules shouldn't apply retroactively.
Just an FYI, we in the EU don't give a fuck about referendums so if the UK government decides to ignore it, there's precedent there to just keep the UK in the EU. Seeing as the Brexiters aren't too sure about Brexiting themselves (lol) it may turn out that this is much a dude about nothing.
Which is, imo, the scarier turnout.
Yeah. Have you heard the one about how the "The UK gives £45442157454147154 to the EU every twenty minutes"? That one is a real hoot.
We DO give a large sum of money to the EU, but we get a lot of it BACK. The brexiters *shudder* (i hate that word now and all of its derivatives) weren't telling people this, and they kinda did or did not get in a bit of trouble for it depending on who you ask.

