us election thread

[fat lesbian]

well the zionist war criminal is out, so now it's the zionist war criminal vs the zionist who wants to be a war criminal real bad

[GeorgeBubbinzInSpace]

the real problem here as far as i am concerned is the two-party element of this- the idea that because one guy is awful, you now have to vote for the other guy (who may be just as awful or worse?)

alternatively, if there is a legitimate third party candidate (or more than one) then this problem dissolves. think about how fringe and weird trump seemed and now he has legions of folk behind him. it's weird, right?

I mean you're not really going crazy, I agree with you. it's always unsettling when an entire mass of people aren't intellectually mature enough to change their minds. although I fucking hate donald trump as a person and I definitely believe he's a shockingly dishonest, disingenuous, jackoff business man who does not have the everyman/woman's interest at heart, and is constantly pandering to a group of people, (like every politician) I can at least admit he brings to light some things that are clearly a huge issue I don't see many other people talking about. what's funny is that him and bernie had a lot more in common than people realize, but anyway.

the 'two-party element' is a huge reason for this as you said. sometimes I look at stuff from gawker which is clearly liberal/bernie leaning, and so stuff pops up on my facebook feed. and it seems I remember a few months back one of the writers implying republicans r dum because they were unwilling to change their minds, switching to the seemingly worse candidate (trump) when cruz and rubio were clearly not having success connecting with people. but now I'm seeing articles about this '#girlIguessimwithher' hashtag, not necessarily on gawker, which if you don't know is basically bernie supporters reluctantly becoming hillary supporters now because muh democrats I guess, and all of the sudden that line of thinking is endearing when it's the party you associate yourself with?

I didn't mean to imply that I was a huge bernie supporter and now I've just given up on the world, I just meant to say he was keeping it interesting for me. I will say though that he seemed like he was not more of the same and when he spoke, I at least thought he believed what he was saying, which is more than I can say for trump or hillary who make me cringe every time they open their mouths. and reading up on some of his policies and ideas struck me as very interesting and for the most part, achievable, although a lot of people strongly disagree. I even read up on trumps as well and as I said they seem to want to achieve the same things, they just have a very different way of doing it. I will admit I have not done much research on hillary at all though. I just don't know if I can bring myself to as she makes me just as nauseous and nervous as trump.

I will have to do some reading on this 'jerry johnson' you speak of, because I am not familiar with that name at all to be completely honest.

[Ben]

the real problem here as far as i am concerned is the two-party element of this- the idea that because one guy is awful, you now have to vote for the other guy (who may be just as awful or worse?)

alternatively, if there is a legitimate third party candidate (or more than one) then this problem dissolves. think about how fringe and weird trump seemed and now he has legions of folk behind him. it's weird, right?

I will have to do some reading on this 'jerry johnson' you speak of, because I am not familiar with that name at all to be completely honest.

if you want a very human and modest discussion of gary, his time as governor, and (his) libertarianism then you should go listen to this interview he did on penn jillette's podcast

i like gary, personally, because he seems like a cool dude. i like obama for the same reason. trump seems like a miserable narcissist and i have a suspicion that hillary will literally disintegrate after reaching the oval office because thats the mission the aliens sent her to this planet to complete

the libertarian position has always been scary to me because it seems predicated upon weird economic ideas like arachno-capitalism, free markets, the invisible hand, collectivism, etc and not only do i know nothing about these things, what i do know is not positive. even government policies like liquidating entirely all government programs and destroying all the cabinets and etc. and also wacky libertarian ideas like legalizing all drugs, which is fine by me but too radical to be accepted by the mainstream i think

HOWEVER gary is a cool dude. he's just a conservative person in the abstract sense rather than political. when approaching an issue he wants to see if it can be achieved with more freedom instead of less, and he wants to see if its a problem that will solve itself if people stop pushing it in certain directions. there was a libertarian debate between him, the crazyman john mcafee, and a younger guy who actually has those purist libertarian mentalities. gary got asked if he would have signed the 1964 civil rights act and he said yes and people booed him. they arent racists, they are just insane. i like that about him

anyway, im sorry if i sound like a shill but i guess i am. i really have 0 hope or expectation of him actually becoming president, but i DO want him to hit that 15% and break down this stupid assumption that we can only have a sideshow of two parties and that we are stuck in this cycle

GRUE EDIT: Post moved here where it matters, from a thread that was locked.

[Urser]

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[Urser]

at least the middle finger one can be saved by turning it into dr kleiner

[fat lesbian]

jesus christ that's embarrassing

[fat lesbian]

anyway i think i talked about the dangers of lesser evilism for people actively supporting bernie and it also applies to bernie supporters switching to hillary, even though there is genuinely No lesser evil here. are trumps policies that he wants as bad as the things warhawk hrc has actually done? she's signed off on the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. she has a VERY significant body count. trump has a smaller, less direct body count through his business practices, but has one nonetheless, and intends to meet or even surpass hrcs. trump is the blatant, textbook fascist candidate and hrc is the standard crypto fascist democrat serving up genocide and imperialism with a smile and a few nice words to go along with it. their presidencies will be alarmingly similar to each other. hrc has the political experience to get her more horrible shit through congress easily, and trump doesn't have enough to get his horrible shit through, and he doesn't even have enough gop support for it. theyd probably get roughly the same things passed, and considering their nearly identical foreign policy (destroy syria, support israel, continue drone strikes, strengthen presence in the Middle East) there's no actual, non cosmetic difference between the two

[Ben]

i thought these graphs were interesting:



and because obama/romney is kind of a lame comparison here is obama/mccain:

[fat lesbian]

so i guess a bunch of uncounted bernie ballots were found and people are surprised that the election is rigged. this is the second rigged election in our lifetime but florida in 04 didn't really have the same scope. i wonder if they'll force a recount or if it's beyond help at this point

[Delirious Biznasty]

Florida wasn't rigged, we actually have people dumb enough to fuck up that badly.

I like how the popularity for both candidates are plummeting after the Orlando shooting

[Delirious Biznasty]

jesus christ all this fucking talking about gun control on either side is fucking pathetic and ignorant as hell

If this keeps going where it's going there will be hell. It still baffles me on how poorly politicians deal with these types of incidences.

I doubt anyone would even want to discuss this with me.

There are many laws and practices in place for these incidences to not happen. Since the shooter WAS on the FBI terror suspect list at one point AND a gun store owner CALLED THEM UP, I believe this entire incident was orchestrated by negligibly. But no, lets ignore all of that and demand action for "universal background checks" even though that exists already. When I hear "loophole" I hear "I use words I don't understand". The "loophole" is a sale being made by a "private seller". Essentially it's on par with black market type dealings, seeing as the seller is purposely going around the law to sell the firearm. It's legal to do so, but if made illegal who the hell is going to stop them from continuing to do so?

[Delirious Biznasty]

I might take this to the supreme court myself when this shit starts happening

[Delirious Biznasty]

[risbolla]

idk about gun control,,,,,if u planned to kill a bunch of ppl with gun i think u will get ur gun if its legal or not ? gun its the first nd most ez thing to blame it on but if u ask me massacres like so must have root cause in more complex social nd cultural problem

[Ben]

pls make a gun control general thread instead of derailing this one