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#76
(08-24-2017, 05:50 AM)fat lesbian Wrote:
(08-24-2017, 05:41 AM)shagg Wrote: i agree with you niki to an extent, but history is a story of people and their decisions. SHOULD we learn about WWII & the Holocaust without learning about Adolf Hitler? though there are people that end up revering his image and likeness, which is definitely true in this example, I'm not sure if its true to history to act like his ego & self were huge parts of what happened.

examples like how Stalin uprooted Lenin behind his back tho they were close friends

the complexities of heroes & villains even Lincoln as we mentioned paint fuller pictures.

what I do agree with you on is if there's a statue/memorial of "George P. Farmer who died here in virginia killing indians... he built this church too". that shit is not relevant to how we shape our understanding. But General Custer is & how he savagely sought revenge on natives that had nothing to do with his war

do we need to learn about hitlers chidlhood, his forays into art school, his relationships to learn about the holocaust? no, we don't. but it still happens and it absolutely doesn't need to. his picture does not need to accompany holocaust education. pictures of survivors and pictures of the camps and pictures of people IN the camps do. we don't need to humanize people who have committed atrocities.


show me a memorial of Hitler that talks about his passion for art

or are you talking about burning books?

we might need those relationships to understand idk the war???
does it matter that Napoleon was Sicilian & jealous of the french?
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#77
(08-24-2017, 05:54 AM)shagg Wrote: well you went to a shitty underserved school & thought the holocaust wasn't an atrocity so I'm gonna wait for better responses

... where did i say i thought the holocaust wasn't an atrocity. my family is holocaust survivors you fucking worm i am astounded that you would ever in your useless life say those words to me
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#78
(08-24-2017, 05:55 AM)shagg Wrote:
(08-24-2017, 05:50 AM)fat lesbian Wrote:
(08-24-2017, 05:41 AM)shagg Wrote: i agree with you niki to an extent, but history is a story of people and their decisions. SHOULD we learn about WWII & the Holocaust without learning about Adolf Hitler? though there are people that end up revering his image and likeness, which is definitely true in this example, I'm not sure if its true to history to act like his ego & self were huge parts of what happened.

examples like how Stalin uprooted Lenin behind his back tho they were close friends

the complexities of heroes & villains even Lincoln as we mentioned paint fuller pictures.

what I do agree with you on is if there's a statue/memorial of "George P. Farmer who died here in virginia killing indians... he built this church too". that shit is not relevant to how we shape our understanding. But General Custer is & how he savagely sought revenge on natives that had nothing to do with his war

do we need to learn about hitlers chidlhood, his forays into art school, his relationships to learn about the holocaust? no, we don't. but it still happens and it absolutely doesn't need to. his picture does not need to accompany holocaust education. pictures of survivors and pictures of the camps and pictures of people IN the camps do. we don't need to humanize people who have committed atrocities.


show me a memorial of Hitler that talks about his passion for art

or are you talking about burning books?

we might need those relationships to understand idk the war???
does it matter that Napoleon was Sicilian & jealous of the french?
i am absolutely talking about burning and rewriting history books that humanize men like Hitler. no, we don't need to know about his fucking marriage to understand the war. what are you even talking about?
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#79
please don't get triggered i don't know your life or care.

you THINK our schools don't teach these things as atrocities so good luck, I'm just assuming your hard of understanding
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#80
lmfao making triggered jokes. are you sure you're not alt right
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#81
correlation or causality all conversation & debate dissolves when you are involved
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#82
that's really funny shagg because i was having a conversation with Tyler until you barged in with your liberal useless nonsense about The Antifas and thinking "alt left" was an actual, coherent movement. you really should try to educate yourself before butting in when the adults are talking.
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#83
i know you're grumpy because it's naptime and mommy is taking the internet privileges away but sweetie, you really don't have to be like this. it's not a good look.
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#84
for the rest:

SHOULD we understand what General E. Lee fought the Union for? Not just that he DID but WHY?

and as an opinion:
i think there's nothing wrong with having a Civil War museum and these statues in it.
the whole point of charlottesville was that these memorials in public spaces intimidate people of color with family history in slavery & are ill reminders and perpetrators of supremacy. now the conversation is LITERALLY becoming about erasing history via Niki's side
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#85
how is "rewrite history books to be less sympathetic towards nazis and confederate generals" erasing history exactly
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#86
history is a bunch of bs in the first place,,,,,the worlds like two weeks old nd all ''memorys'' from before that was injected into are brains from space invaders scary but true
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#87
my opinion on this usa so called ''political climate'' from my resreaching youtube videos ur country is so split that all ur different states should balkanize nd start the 2017-3017 thousand year american super war to decide which american state is the best
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#88
(08-24-2017, 06:07 AM)fat lesbian Wrote: how is "rewrite history books to be less sympathetic towards nazis and confederate generals" erasing history exactly

What? Could you clarify where history books were doing this? Are you talking about history in general and not what was taught in class?
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#89
(08-24-2017, 06:14 AM)risbolla Wrote: my opinion on this usa so called ''political climate'' from my resreaching youtube videos ur country is so split that all ur different states should balkanize nd start the 2017-3017 thousand year american super war to decide which american state is the best

the same could be said for literally every country
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normally I would frown upon sharing memes to make a point but i'll be damned if the fucker doesn't kinda look like me. why do these things happen? was it a past life thing? God, please
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